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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 13:48:07 GMT 1
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Post by Silver on Aug 18, 2021 23:38:52 GMT 1
It looks like Marion Kay made it. It could possibly date to before the court injunction.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Aug 19, 2021 5:08:32 GMT 1
That dates back to the Claudia Saunders Court House and was sold there.
Yes Marion Kay Made the Spice
They made spices for CHS and Claudia from 1968
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 11:55:34 GMT 1
Does anyone know of this item? Is is a previous version of 99X, or a blend by itself? Can't really find anything on the internet, except these tins someone sold/sells online. Must have disappeared quickly. It appears to be a variation of 99-X. You cannot clearly see the ingredients on the tin in the photos, but my notes say; Ingredients: Pepper (white and black), MSG, Salt and natural herbs and spices. If we look at an ingredient list from a 99-X label dating back to 1975, we see that it says; Ingredients: Monosodium Glutamate, White Pepper, Black Pepper, Salt and Natural Herbs and Spices. So, we see that the measure of MSG has changed in Claudia Sanders Chicken Seasoning.
I know for a fact that the "Natural Herbs and Spices" in 99-X are; Sage, Coriander Seed, Thyme, Ginger and Red Pepper. And suspect they are the same in Claudia Sanders Chicken Seasoning.
If we look at the last photo, you will notice that the Claudia Sanders Chicken Seasoning is actually "Chicken Seasoning Plus".
Which Marion-Kay currently sells on their website, and the description states:
"Our famous Chicken Seasoning 99-X, blended with more salt and ready for frying!". The directions for use are exactly the same for both Claudia Sanders Chicken Seasoning and Chicken Seasoning Plus, Combine 1-1/2 Tbsp. seasoning with one cup flour. Chicken Seasoning Plus is what Claudia Sanders Dinner House currently uses today for their fried chicken. So, if you want to see what Claudia Sanders Chicken Seasoning tasted like, just buy Chicken Seasoning Plus.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Aug 19, 2021 16:32:54 GMT 1
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you are totally correct that the Chicken Season Plus is exactly the same as Claudia Sanders Chicken Seasoning. This has both been confirmed by The Owners of the Claudia Saunders Court Cafe who are the Tommy and Cherry Settle who were sued BY KFC when they said they found the Original KFC recipe in the House CHS Originally lived in. The exact answer was obtained From Marion Kay when questioned about the Chicken Season Plus. it has more salt then 99x and is the same as Claudia's Mix.
There is information that Indicated the Chicken Seasoning or 99X prior to the Lawsuit and when it was being Mixed for CHS Original Locations that were NOT sold to the New Age Corporation which were approximately 20 Locations. That Cumin was a Original Item.
Both Cumin and Coriander have been interchanged as a spice. BUT back in 1939 Cumin was the spice that was available. I have asked many people to show me NUMEROUS OLD TINS of coriander from 1935-1940. It was Rare to find? So if it was Rare to find why would have CHS used coriander?
PLEASE COMMENT and Give your input? YES I know its listed on the 99X Can BUT IT does NOT mean it was in the Original Recipe? Remember 99x had to change after the court case that was confirmed by Bill S from Marion Kay in interviews.
Many people who also Used the Original Chicken Seasoning from Marion Kay that was supplied to KFC Locations have indicated that 1 1/2 TBSP is less then what was added back in 1970
It also appears that John O who wrote the CHS Biography reported that the amount that 99x lists on the label for Use is MUCH to LOW to recreate the CHS chicken and also said that some of the 99x needed to be added to the Milk and Egg Dip.
There is a KEY part that people are Missing which is MORE IMPORTANT
IF you watch the TEF Video. The CHICKEN was sitting in the Milk and Egg Wash and the Chicken Prior to being placed into the Milk and Egg wash were Placed into the Flour and Pressed then the chicken was left for 15 minutes for the flour to set on the chicken. Then it was placed into the Milk and Egg Warsh and it remained in the Milk and Egg Warsh so soak.
The Process where the Chickens were placed into the water and then the Flour for the 7-10-7 ETC was ONLY refined and used after KFC started using the Tumble Marinade Machines.
The Tumble Marinade Machines and the Original method to Pre-Dust then soak the chicken in the Milk and Egg Wash BOTH scratched BY BROWN/MASSEY because it was to time consuming and if a STORE miscalculated the amount of chicken required for a Dinner or Supper it created either a excess of chicken which had to be thrown out OR the ran out of Chicken and it would have taken a additional 15 to 30 Minutes to prepare the chicken.
This was ALL at the same time when the HEALTH regulations and STRICTOR food handling guidelines where being USED around the world.
The health Authorities then started to Disallow Egg From being left Open and un-refrigerated, They also founded upon the chicken staying in the Milk and Egg Warsh for a marinade. That is why they went to the Tumble Marinades with Powdered Milk and Egg. BUT AGAIN this was a 15 minute process and more handling
THE ORIGINAL KFC Milk n Egg wash was Milk/Egg/Salt/Pepper/Vanilla (similar to what French Toast Dip or a Bread Pudding Base)(( the bread pudding and French toast usually did not contain pepper BUT a Sugar or corn syrup)
The sugar or Corn Syrup help the mixture stick more and added a flavor. The Vanilla extract was a flavor enhancer. the corn syrup was also used in many places which used a cream and water mixture that diluted the mixture
If you have not tried Mixing Milk/Egg/Vanilla/sugar as a French Toast dip try it
If you have not tried mixing Milk/Egg/Vanilla/Sugar/Spice and Herb as your chicken bath try it? It will produce a darker color chicken typically BUT it you really use the 7-10-7 method to pack the second flour dredge its more the original rose color chicken BUT you need to COOK at a lower temp also so not to burn the chicken. Which CHS often did. Dave Thomas said many Times CHS messed up cooking the chicken many times
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 17:43:21 GMT 1
I wouldn't even dare to question Coriander. It is one of the most important spices in the recipe. Have you had pure Cumin before? This stuff is so incredibly strong, it would kill all other flavours and definitively wouldn't allow being 'accompanied' by 10 other spices. It only goes well with very few ingredients like Chilli, Paprika and Garlic and is used mainly in mexican, turkish and middle eastern cuisine. I can always tell when it's in a dish. You cannot replace Coriander with Cumin or vice versa. Coriander was part of Sexton's poultry seasoning and included in Coca Colas 7X formula from Georgia, invented in the 1880s. There are commercial spice tins and packs from the 1930s as well. Schilling was the brand before Mccormick took over. Please gents, too much speculation here. If there ever was Cumin in the OR, I am glad it had changed.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Aug 19, 2021 19:45:44 GMT 1
If I'm not mistaken Coke had Coriander Oil in the Blend is what was said to be the recipe yes.
I will not ever dispute Coriander was NOT available in the 1930's BUT will say that you can find a 100 to 1 difference in finding Cumin Tins from the same time period compared to Coriander Tins. The Coriander Tins are so much more rare they demand a premium price for vintage Coriander Tin's
So when you look at available Tins that are Vintage NOW 2021 and you can't find them its ONLY because they were on the Market less back then and a NOT as often sold item. If you can find 100 Pepper, Ginger, Cinnamon Chili Tins is shows they were most common used
Coriander and Savory From the 1930 Era are way harder to find and source Vintage.
as for a direct comparison between Cumin and Coriander I have NEVER found it to be a Over powering item, used in relevant amounts As for a comparison I have heard more people complain about Coriander tasting like soap. Or others saying they don't like Cilantro which is a acquired taste to some.
each to there own with use of Coriander vs Cumin ?
I use BOTH and have no issue switching between the 2 items or blending the 2 together
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Post by Silver on Aug 20, 2021 13:41:40 GMT 1
If I'm not mistaken Coke had Coriander Oil in the Blend is what was said to be the recipe yes. I will not ever dispute Coriander was NOT available in the 1930's BUT will say that you can find a 100 to 1 difference in finding Cumin Tins from the same time period compared to Coriander Tins. The Coriander Tins are so much more rare they demand a premium price for vintage Coriander Tin's So when you look at available Tins that are Vintage NOW 2021 and you can't find them its ONLY because they were on the Market less back then and a NOT as often sold item. If you can find 100 Pepper, Ginger, Cinnamon Chili Tins is shows they were most common used Coriander and Savory From the 1930 Era are way harder to find and source Vintage. as for a direct comparison between Cumin and Coriander I have NEVER found it to be a Over powering item, used in relevant amounts As for a comparison I have heard more people complain about Coriander tasting like soap. Or others saying they don't like Cilantro which is a acquired taste to some. each to there own with use of Coriander vs Cumin ? I use BOTH and have no issue switching between the 2 items or blending the 2 together When you switch between them, do you do so on a 1:1 weight ratio basis?
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Aug 20, 2021 15:30:28 GMT 1
I have typically switch on the 1:1 ration BUT there has been the occasion where on fine tuning put extra in if I felt more was needed. (Older spice or Lower quality spice even though stay with similar brands)
Part of My problem is love comparing brands of spices. Many times mix the last portions of containers into a overflow container, which then is a who's who of spice which I will use for Rib Dry Rubs and when spice is needed in a marinade, stew, soup etc.
make use of All spices like CHS did.
CHS and Claudia always started blending the Last 25% to 30% of there spice with New spice so the consistency remained almost similar and any change was slower to notice. This was with ALL spices they used and MSG.
CHS also blended 2 similar spices together like cumin and Coriander. Nutmeg and Mace. sage and savory. Claudia was the one who gave those tidbit's out sometimes while CHS squirmed in his chair. Claudia had so much respect for the CHS she always let CHS answer questions but there were times she would interject with oure answers that were NOT adulterated by anything.
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