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Post by flg on Nov 8, 2021 15:50:40 GMT 1
Other than I will always question the "why" if photos or artist conceptions are done. Again, it's a guarded secret so that just doesn't make sense. Hide it in a vault but share hi-res photos of the ingredients. Anyhow:
I think it's been determined that some of the ingredients were tailored from country to country for a variety of reasons. So looking at photos from one country to another may contain some ingredients local to the cuisine. Not found in the your local market.
Take even the vial photos as an example. I think a few of our combined recipes contain sage, thyme, savory and marjoram. I can't find all 4 of those in the vial photos. I can come up with 3 of the 4. Even considering the changes to the vial contents over the years and process to create them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 21:05:31 GMT 1
This picture clearly shows Star Anise as an ingredient. What about Allspice? Star Anise and Cardamom. The item behind the bowls should be Ginger or Turmeric. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 21:44:24 GMT 1
Other than I will always question the "why" if photos or artist conceptions are done. Again, it's a guarded secret so that just doesn't make sense. Hide it in a vault but share hi-res photos of the ingredients. Anyhow: I think it's been determined that some of the ingredients were tailored from country to country for a variety of reasons. So looking at photos from one country to another may contain some ingredients local to the cuisine. Not found in the your local market. Take even the vial photos as an example. I think a few of our combined recipes contain sage, thyme, savory and marjoram. I can't find all 4 of those in the vial photos. I can come up with 3 of the 4. Even considering the changes to the vial contents over the years and process to create them. All more or less clear pictures only show 3 "proper" green herbs, that is the vials, the Russian jars, and the Japanese photograph. The idea of there being more than 3 came from where exactly? Maybe from poultry seasonings or because 50+ ingredients are now being discussed? Here's a better resolution of the spice jars from Russia. I had tried to contact the photographer, but he wouldn't respond.  |
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Post by flg on Nov 8, 2021 22:20:55 GMT 1
Other than I will always question the "why" if photos or artist conceptions are done. Again, it's a guarded secret so that just doesn't make sense. Hide it in a vault but share hi-res photos of the ingredients. Anyhow: I think it's been determined that some of the ingredients were tailored from country to country for a variety of reasons. So looking at photos from one country to another may contain some ingredients local to the cuisine. Not found in the your local market. Take even the vial photos as an example. I think a few of our combined recipes contain sage, thyme, savory and marjoram. I can't find all 4 of those in the vial photos. I can come up with 3 of the 4. Even considering the changes to the vial contents over the years and process to create them. All more or less clear pictures only show 3 "proper" green herbs, that is the vials, the Russian jars, and the Japanese photograph. The idea of there being more than 3 came from where exactly? Maybe from poultry seasonings or because 50+ ingredients are now being discussed? Here's a better resolution of the spice jars from Russia. I had tried to contact the photographer, but he wouldn't respond. Exactly what I noticed. You can't place 4 "green" herbs in any of the photos. If you go by the photos one of Sage, Thyme, Marjoram or Savory (popular combo) has to go! And then someone will say you also need rosemary and parsley and....
And other than an early on recipe that may have had poultry seasoning or something similar. I don't buy the blended herbs theory passed 1955 at the latest
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 22:32:58 GMT 1
Sage, Thyme, Savory, Marjoram, Tarragon, Basil, Mexican Oregano, Rosemary, Dill, Parsley etc. Wait... I have THE solution: Maybe we just don't get it: It's actually 11 herbs and 11 spices!  |
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Nov 9, 2021 0:15:58 GMT 1
well if your suggesting that 22 items it would be a Sh*t show for KFC as they have printed many times ONLY 11 Herbs and Spices and they show a photo of 11 in the TV and Newspapers that its 11
False misrepresentation is a ugly word if you have the Balls to take KFC New Age Corporation on.
Plus 3 court case said that KFC said 11 items in court briefs ?
BUT I love your Math and thinking
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 1:31:48 GMT 1
well if your suggesting that 22 items it would be a Sh*t show for KFC as they have printed many times ONLY 11 Herbs and Spices and they show a photo of 11 in the TV and Newspapers that its 11 False misrepresentation is a ugly word if you have the Balls to take KFC New Age Corporation on. Plus 3 court case said that KFC said 11 items in court briefs ? BUT I love your Math and thinking But the depiction of only 11 items does not keep you from believing it's white AND black pepper, which makes it effectively 12. You said it yourself many times that herbs and spices come in pairs and that the original wording included seasonings. This reminds me of the paradox of the so-called "Ship of Theseus" in a way. If every item in the recipe had been replaced or paired from time to time to constitute the real and official recipe, could a sheer reconstruction of the OR still be considered as the real thing or perceived as such? There literally is no illustration that would facilitate every item you consider to be part of the OR, so you better believe in my hypothesis, Sir!  I am being a bit sarcastic here. I do not believe in 22 herbs and spices. In fact, I believe in 11 herbs, 11 spices, 11 seasonings and 11 vegetables. The OR thus consists of 44 items plus MSG and Salt. Turmeric was added later though. Ok, that was my last joke. Back to serious now  |
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Post by Silver on Nov 9, 2021 1:38:30 GMT 1
How can you falsely represent the ingredients of something that is permitted to be secret, yet is not patented? You could literally say just about anything about its content, and no one can check the list whereby to verify or dispute truth value, because the list is the secret.
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Post by Silver on Nov 9, 2021 1:59:56 GMT 1
A common occurrence in videos such as Glen's is that all of the recipes generally adhering to ~11 ingredients "seem to be missing a little something".
My 1st "solo" recipe attempt had about 3 times the H&S as my (self proclaimed) really good 4th recipe, and it (solo #1) didn't taste nearly as good, despite having essentially the same ingredients. Many of my first posts to this Forum included a statement along the general lines that "each time I cut down on the quantities of the ingredients the flavor seems to improve". So I'm somewhat convinced that simply boosting the weight of some magical 11 ingredients is the answer, because in my direct experience it is not. My recipes only started getting good when I finally started to conform (scale) them to 26 ounces/25 Lbs. And when I decided to "stand upon the shoulders of giants" whereby to generally hone in on ingredients and their weight order within the ingredient hierarchy. But now I'm in a rut, which appears to be the very same rut that nigh on everyone playing this game has gotten into, and the only way out seems to potentially be to discover what is missing and then add it. But that inevitably means going beyond 11. So many who are in the rut will remain there by choice due to unwavering faith in the magic of 11.
Quoting Sir Issac Newton (from memory, so don't 'fry' me if I'm not getting it perfect):
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Post by Silver on Nov 9, 2021 2:10:28 GMT 1
If I could be granted only one wish in this recipe quest it would be that those giants among us who remain generally aloof and transcendentally mysterious would become less aloof and less mysterious, and in so doing provide more of a firm/helping shoulder from which to stand upon whereby to see farther.
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