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Post by Silver on Jul 15, 2021 12:42:15 GMT 1
How far can MSG be pushed (within 200 grams flour, and ~250 grams total of flour, salt, MSG, and spices) before it begins to degrade flavor, as opposed to enhancing flavor? And what would you anticipate the ideal weight in grams for MSG to be for the same ~250 gram flour/salt/spices mix?
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Post by Deep Taste on Jul 19, 2021 23:31:55 GMT 1
From my personal recipes, I wouldn't use less than 1/2 tsp (2g) nor more than 1 tsp (4g) MSG to one cup 125-150g Flour.
Deep Taste
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jul 20, 2021 0:15:52 GMT 1
This is information that I received from Ac'cent and have passed out for years now regarding MSG
It does NOT give a amount for flour but Deep Taste has a great suggestion less than 1/2 tsp (2g) nor more than 1 tsp (4g) MSG to one cup 125-150g Flour.
The current KFC is changing to a higher MSG then Salt ration in many area's and there is NO answer to why?
CHS use MSG and as I have Proven he ordered it in 100LBS Barrels. The Msg was added to the 11 Herbs and Spices Bags and is always list first in orders or second a 1/2 sequence to Salt ... Salt, MSG or MSG. Salt then other items in KFC Ingredients and Bags.
The point is that MSG and Salt should be more then your Highest next spices: Pepper Black and White Coriander, Red Sweet Pepper & Cayenne, Garlic, Celery, Onion, Marjoram, Chili Powder, or Paprika & Turmeric, PLEASE NOTE some of these spices ARE much more powerful then others and may have to more on the totem pole with your spice Mace, Vegetable Flakes, Italian Herbs and Spices Cinnamon or clove,
I'm Giving some options to use if people don't have some spices.
HOW MUCH SHOULD YOU USE?
For a Total Amount of Meat, Poultry, Seafood, or Vegetable Weighting Add This Much Ac'cent
Tablespoon Tbsp Oz
5lbs 1/2 Tbsp 1/4 oz
10lbs 1 Tbsp 1/2 oz
25lbs 2 1/2 Tbsp 1 1/4 oz
50lbs 5 Tbsp 2 1/2 oz
100lbs 10Tbsp 5 oz
For a Total Amount of Casseroles, Salad, Sause's, Soups or Gravy Measuring Add This Much Ac'cent Tablespoon Tbsp Oz
1 gal. 1 Tbsp 1/2 oz
2 1/2 gal 2 1/2 Tbsp 1 1/4 oz
5 gal 5 Tbsp 2 1/2 oz
7 1/2 gal. 7 1/2 Tbsp 3 1/4 oz
10 gal. 10 Tbsp 5 oz
Add Ac'cent with other required seasoning.
2 level Tablespoons = 1 oz
The amounts were provided by Ac'cent to users and this was there instructions from the original shipment and was printed on Barrels also
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Post by Silver on Jul 20, 2021 1:27:03 GMT 1
For metric cross-reference:
1/8 ounce = 3.55 grams 1/4 ounce = 7.1 grams 1/2 ounce = 14.2 grams 3/4 ounce = 21.3 grams 1.0 ounce = 28.4 grams
I've weighed a few all purpose white flours at 130 grams to the level 8 ounce (240 mL) cup. A Metric cup is 250 mL.
3 TSP = 1 TBSP (both US and metric)
1 US TSP = 4.929 mL of water as to volume capacity = 4.929 grams of water as to weight capacity. 1 metric TSP = 5 mL of water as to volume capacity = 5 grams of water as to weight capacity.
1 US TBSP = 14.7867 mL = 14.7867 grams of water 1 Metric TBSP = 15 mL = 15 grams of water
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Post by Silver on Jul 20, 2021 1:41:33 GMT 1
If 5 lbs. of meat (roughly 2 of the seemingly rather small chickens that KFC seems to use) should receive an ideal 1/4 ounce of MSG, is that a weight ounce, or a volume ounce? If it is a weight 1/4 ounce it is 7.1 grams of MSG, but if it is a volume 1/4 ounce it is only about 5.35 grams of MSG.
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Post by Silver on Jul 20, 2021 1:51:52 GMT 1
Correcting myself, 1 US Cup = 236.6 mL, not 240 mL.
So if a US cup of flour weighs 130 grams, a metric cup of flour weighs 250/236.6 x 130 = 137.4 grams.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jul 20, 2021 3:28:10 GMT 1
I think many round up that to 240 ml.
The recipe is NOT effected with a 3.4 ml difference in my mind remember CHS worked with two handfuls of MSG and I will never say his hand was bigger or smaller then my hand LOL LOL LOL.
with every Spice Manufacturing Company I have spoke with. They say the hardest spices to Blend are small versions of a spice blend as its to hard to weight and measure small increments MOST have all said that a small difference in most spices don't effect the product test UNLESS its a real Potent spice. IE Clove, Sage, White Pepper. most mild ones you cannot tell a amount difference. The big problem is getting a proper blend of the fine particles and using a electric grinder that is high speed can heat up the spices and oils in the spice and loose more flavor then NOT putting the proper amount ? ? ?
I agree for everyone mixing spices a same amount base would be a good thing BUT for now if the people just say what amount they use we can all measure any number. I just think using a .003 value is going to far over the limit a .02 is close enough we are NOY mixing rocket fuel.
BUT then Again it is Chicken and Dam Good Chicken.
a good example of what different people think is the 1974 esquire Article. For all educated purpose that I think 4 different HIGHLY TRAINED Chefs tasted for what we assume was similar and like tasting Chicken purchased from KFC. If taste was ALL so similar we would have had a consistent guess of spices.
If you every watched the TV show Hell's Kitchen G Ramsey test 8 certified Chefs with what would appear to be simple everyday items and a few other items and THEY CANNOT guess simple spices fruits and vegetable. SO I say the average person would not tell a .003 difference. BUT we can tell crap chicken from a 2021 KFC watered down unseasoned chicken that is for sure.
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Post by Silver on Jul 23, 2021 20:00:03 GMT 1
It "may" be the case that for ~200 grams of flour the salt and MSG can be at any individual gram level such that when the grams of the two are totaled comes to ~40.
5 grams MSG and 35 grams salt 10 grams MSG and 30 grams salt 15 grams MSG and 25 grams salt 20 grams MSG and 20 grams salt 25 grams MSG and 15 grams Salt 30 grams MSG and 10 grams salt 35 grams MSG and 5 grams salt
Warning: Caution: There is scant little real world evidence to go on whereby to accept this sort of scaling, so consider at your own risk, as YMMV.
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