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Post by jseo12 on May 20, 2021 15:58:58 GMT 1
 I just found a KFC old document that has a list of recipe for each manu. As you can see only salt, msg, pepper, paprika, and garlic powder are used. I think 11 herbs and spices were only used by Colonel himself until he sold his company. I believe KFC Corporal have never used all the spice ingredients afterwards since they were too expensive. They have been merely kept part of their own patent protection. |
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Post by halcoleman11 on May 20, 2021 16:43:36 GMT 1
looks interesting can you post other recipes that you found
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Post by jseo12 on May 20, 2021 16:46:39 GMT 1
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Post by deepfriednew101 on May 20, 2021 23:17:42 GMT 1
The Recipes you posted have more validity to some recipes posted. If you review the recipes there are some very key points that have relevant use for Kentucky Fried Chicken and the early days.
Example: in 1930 Colonel Sander, Claudia Sanders, and his mother in-law did not have a $3000.00 Mettler Toledo model MS4002S precession scale to weigh Flour, Salt, Monosodium Gluconate, Pepper variances, vegetable, Herbs or Spices.
He used the common old fashion teaspoon, tablespoon, Measuring cup, portion cups and for small amounts they use a Baby Spoon not trying to measure 1/8 of a teaspoon they used small spoons.
when they measured Flour, Salt, Baking powders, and some heavier powder items TABLESPOONS were used. The products that were purchased in 2.5, 5, 10, LBS bags and were a cheaper dollar item. Cups 1/2 1/4 cups were measured by eye
when they measured spices which had Patent pending tops with 3 openings ( 1 shaken hole side, 1 middle that accepted a Teaspoon, 1 pure side flip top) Patent design spice tins. The spices were measured with a Teaspoon tsp measurement they could not afford to use much as the spices were to hard to get and to expensive.
I have noticed and commented on Forums and to many people that Size mattered and many women will agree with me. Flour was sold in 5 and 10 pound bags typically and in the 1930 and 1940 the average 10 LBS Flour which was a mixture or Wheat, Barely, Corn. but commonly referred to as AP Flour a 10 LBS bag held 40 Cups of flour, 5 LBS flour commonly held 20 cups of flour. All flour was usually referenced in 2 cups measures, when they referred to large size it was a double batch and you just measures 2 of each respectful spices herbs or essential salt or pepper. There were recipe which measure 2 1/2 cup ratio's which were easy measured by eyeball or handful extra amount.
when cooking the average restaurant bought 10LBS bags as that was the most common available and easy moving size. 1 Bag was used for all the cooking either be a pancake, biscuit, Bread, donut, cake of Skillet fried chicken. They never used a full bag of flour for 1 single use except in Bakery Use, But back they things were mixed by hand and there was very few would would have mixed a 10LBS dough ball at one time. it was different when then Mechanical Hobart style mixers were being used, As for little hand beaters with a crank, wooden spoons, and hand mixing small amounts were used because of labor strain, and also the cost of items. The little Gas stations restaurant cooking for a table which held 6 people truck driver or Lawyer at the same community table. they could not use 10LBS of flour all for a mix for skillet fried chicken. They took 2 cups of flour or a double batch or 4 cups of flour. which they mixed for what ever they were cooking pancakes, biscuits, bread etc. and they kept in mind what they would need if they needed to Bake bread in the morning and could not get flour until the next day. The Flour used for a chicken Fried mix was used and if used was then sifted to remove clumps partials and bugs or worms from the flour. They did not throw our any flour they could not afford to. If the flour had bugs and worms that got mixed in that was High protein flour of the day it was Not waisted.
The spices they used and collected were obtained only 1 of 2 ways in the 1930 it was delivered by horse and buggy from a traveling showman, and snake oil salesman who commonly carried many items, yes there was some small truck deliveries, and the General Stores of the day had stock, but limited amounts, There was NO Costco, amazon ,Walmart. Small independence General Stores. They sold what they had and you got what they had or you got nothing because they had nothing.
This writing is more short to speak only about measuring of items. if your wanting a Original KFC. The Original was made with small sizes in mind and typically 2 cups of Flour mixed with essential salt and pepper measured with a teaspoon not a digital scale you bought at a cannabis store that weight .001 of a gram.
cups, Tablespoon for heavier flour salt etc., teaspoon for herbs and spices, and baby-spoon for fractional sizes were the most common 1/8 etc., and portion size cups etc. NOW I do not say don't use a digital scale it works great if you are trying to make a very constant taste item.
I will tell anyone first timer if your going to try and make KFC chicken watch Todd Wilbur on CMT go to the grocery store and spend over $ 250.00 approximately for items. Anyone who is attempting to make it use what you have and don't worry about being perfect on your first attempts. Yes spice makes and different spices do make a difference which will be explained on another day.
I can confirm that KFC Original recipe were measured in cups, and mostly teaspoon tsp.
The nephew, Joe Ledington is a real recipe that was mixed for KFC but the amounts are mixed up and there is also some items missing from the mix. I will explain more but at a later date
There is way more to cooking chicken then just mixing 11 spices into flour and putting it in Fat and Oil and the original was Brine or Marinade
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Post by crazyforchicken on Jun 2, 2021 16:38:16 GMT 1
... the original was Brine or Marinade.... Hi deepfriednew101, I totally agree with you that the chicken was, and still is brined. Can you tell us or hint at what the brine was? And how long it was brined before using? crazyforchicken |
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jun 2, 2021 18:23:29 GMT 1
Hello crazyforchicken -and- everyone
the easiest way to explain this is 2 fold.
First the Original was a Brine. The Brine was use for many purpose back in the 1950, If you look into the History of CHS he was travelling first to the two states near Corbin. He was traveling in a 1940s vehicle and 1950s vehicle. Many people have stated to the fact that CHS had a 50 LBS Lard Tin full of seasoned flour in the vehicle. He also carried Chicken with his travels in a ice chest. The chicken was Brine. The chicken had to be brine because there was no way for CHS to keep the Fresh Chicken from spoiling. CHS said on numerous times he was thrown out of many restaurants along the way. CHS stopped at what he called more mom and pop style establishments which in most ways sold hamburgers. So CHS had to carry chicken with him in his homemade ice chest chicken hauler, which he kept in the trunk and overnight. while he slept in the back seat of the car.
The Marinade Process that KFC Corporation used was in a tumble drum marinade which would marinade the chicken for a minimum or 15 minutes to as long as 45 minutes. There were more then 1 style of tumble marinade machines used. KFC corporation used 3 different marinades over the time period they used the Tumble marinade machines. Plus they were also incorporating and testing hot chicken and BBQ chicken Marinades.
I will help explain the different types of methods that were used over the time period but it entails detailed items and process. The Brine was relatively simple and I think I posted one already but will do a better Brine & Marinade posting.
Just a Tip some of the items are purchased at Butcher Supply Wholesale Curing Salts. Pickling Spice can be found at many locations and grocery stores.
Many retailers have ready made Meat Marinade in small Packages Club House, French's, McCormick ETC. If you buy those they can all work for a quick method and don't break the bank or make a person crazy finding the items.
Most ready made marinade contain Sugar, (corn maltodextrin), Salt, Dehydrated Garlic, Dehydrated Onion, Guar Gum, Spice and herbs, Carmel, Citrus acid, Disodium inosinate and disodium guanylate, high oleic oils, natural flavor, papain, silicon dioxide. If you view many KFC ingredient lists you will see these names on the list many times.
Keep in mind that when you purchase chicken from grocery locations they are generally PUMPED at processing plants so if you are going to do your own in home Brine or Marinade you have to adjust the amount of Brine or marinade concentrate strength or ANY chicken cooked either deep fried, BBQ, Baked or Pressure cooked will be extremely salty. without knowing how much the chicken was Pumped or what the chicken was pumped with then you have to have a sacrificial chicken to test. you can weigh the chicken you can Pray to the chicken Gods for a right guess on amount of Brine or Marinade but still the best method is Trail and Error chicken.
remember the Original Brine was used to Preserve the Chicken which in todays day and age we have little to worry about compared to what CHS had to worry about. but he did learn that Brine and Marinade helped keep the chicken that was Pressure Cooked or open deep fried more juicy, and tender.
Now contrary to many people understanding or though they Do Not think CHS used Buttermilk as a Brine or Marinade. Originally His Mother In Law did use it. and it was used for skillet frying. It can be used today also but many people will say there is NO manuals that say it was used. It was what CHS did if he cooked in your home when he stayed at your place overnight when he did not have money to stay in motels. In many instances the Buttermilk was made with simple milk and vinegar or lemon juice and Pickling spice, ginger, cinnamon, were added to the Buttermilk.
this is just a quick overview to answer what was done. If you want a quick answer to a specific way to do it now that will work buy a premade marinade package if you are in a hurry, but only use a small amount of the package 1/4 of the package to 1/2 of a package it will work for a test trial.
Sorry for lack of full answer at this time but I will do a more complex answer with amounts in the next few days time permitting
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