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Post by maceme on Nov 17, 2022 16:23:04 GMT 1
Seems to me if Chickenman and now kaweempo both feel they, between 100% and 10000% solved the riddle. Then I would think each of their recipe should be nearly identical. Specifically the list of ingredients in descending weight as well as the total number of ingredients. And break down by type. So to me they should be able to at a very high level verify each other's claim. Without giving too much away to the other. So perhaps 15 total ingredients, 6 of them herbs, 20 gram recipe for example. They don't have to share on the open forum. But start with validating each others claim. Now we would have to accept face value that they do when/if each other collaborate their story. I agree. However I suspect it might be several more than 15, depending on how you count. |
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Post by maceme on Nov 17, 2022 16:44:00 GMT 1
To elaborate, in general for “herbs and spices and seasonings” we generically use:
Vegetables
Roots
Leaves
Fruits
Berries
Flowers and flower buds
Zests and skins
Bark
Minerals and compounds
Etc.
Some of these definitions have gotten better over time. Ginger, for instance, can be argued as an herb, a vegetable, and a root, or a combination, like root vegetable etc. Science and academia has made some choices, but some of those choices may not have been made or obvious when labeling older products.
Sometimes items may come from the same plant or tree, but we give them different names, like cilantro or coriander. Counting these “multiples” becomes challenging.
If you have leaves and flowers or buds, is that one item or two? I strongly suspect marketing picked a number and stick with it, and the actual number , when sourcing and weighing ingredients is larger, as I alluded to above.
Often multiple parts of an item are edible, but over time, as we’ve lost touch with growing the item some might focus on what we are sold as a packaged item and might tend to forget about the rest of the plant.
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Post by maceme on Nov 17, 2022 17:04:47 GMT 1
No one will ever discover "The Original Recipe", as CHS took it to the grave. But since there are a multiplicity of paths by which to get close enough for all practical purposes, a few of us forum participants can stake claim to having gotten essentially close enough for all practical purposes. Claiming better than that, and touting the discovery of the OR itself verges upon revealing an inner psychosis. Whatever is written down and kept in the safe, and was used by people at Durkee, Sexton, Stange, Mccormick, and Griffith for the basis of their products may be documented and available to be leaked at some point as sometimes happens when humans are involved. The Florida franchise originally held by Margaret continued to make their own products, using some spice blender. The grandson Trigg knows the recipe and therefore knows that Ledington is incorrect according to dprovo. There are purported recipes given to Canadian and European franchises. So while CHS undoubtedly took many secrets to the grave, the actual OR recipe may not be one of them. I would like to know more about the history of early OR brine and/or marinade, which may be most important in getting the soft bone tenderness that smallgree is achieving with his crockpot, and may help provide the stickiness and amino acids necessary for the full experience. @11serbs found a particular lightly spiced chicken powder helpful, which may help achieve the same thing. |
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Nov 17, 2022 17:32:24 GMT 1
The Brine needs a Bromine (Pineapple Tenderizer)
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Post by smallgree on Nov 17, 2022 18:03:03 GMT 1
"..............I can't say more............."
Explore that remark. To me it means "quit looking, I found it".
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Post by Chickenman on Nov 18, 2022 1:37:00 GMT 1
Kaweempo hasn't cracked it. he thinks cinnamon isn't in the recipe and that chicken bullion is in the recipe. Chicken bullion does not work, it slowly will overpower spice mix with chicken flavour. I have not claimed to 100% have cracked it either, i only claimed that i have most, or all the pieces of the puzzle and those 2 ingredients from that discovery i made. I watch this guy called "alex becker" on youtube, other day in a video he said "when you give something atleast 95% and obsess and obsess over it that's where you have these big breakthroughs" and that is exactly what happened with me. I was obsessing and thinking about this so hard to the point of physical exhaustion and that i couldn't sleep properly because my mind was just in some auto mode of thinking about ingredients etc. I haven't done anything since that huge discovery i made and have had a nice 1 month break, and suspect when i go back into this obsessing mode, i may have some more breakthroughs and finalize the recipe. Kaweempo also claimed almost 2 years ago now that he cracked it, and still has not done anything with it.
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Post by maceme on Nov 18, 2022 4:15:10 GMT 1
Kaweempo hasn't cracked it. he thinks cinnamon isn't in the recipe and that chicken bullion is in the recipe. Chicken bullion does not work, it slowly will overpower spice mix with chicken flavour. I have not claimed to 100% have cracked it either, i only claimed that i have most, or all the pieces of the puzzle and those 2 ingredients from that discovery i made. I watch this guy called "alex becker" on youtube, other day in a video he said "when you give something atleast 95% and obsess and obsess over it that's where you have these big breakthroughs" and that is exactly what happened with me. I was obsessing and thinking about this so hard to the point of physical exhaustion and that i couldn't sleep properly because my mind was just in some auto mode of thinking about ingredients etc. I haven't done anything since that huge discovery i made and have had a nice 1 month break, and suspect when i go back into this obsessing mode, i may have some more breakthroughs and finalize the recipe. Kaweempo also claimed almost 2 years ago now that he cracked it, and still has not done anything with it. Hey, Chickenman you wrote this very recently yourself: What i think the vials are if they actually are legit, and if they are legit i think they do not contain b/w pepper. A: Fennel seed. B: Marjoram C: Vanilla D: Sage E: Cloves/allspice F: Ginger G: unknown H: Nutmeg I: Rosemary/thyme J: Caraway seed K: Cardamom +++++ I think you will or perhaps already did find you scored quite poorly on that list, upon which there is no cinnamon, in any form. At least two are fully correct though, counting the unknown. If you fully agree, perhaps you may have indeed found something. And if you can recover from a rather rough score, than consider that perhaps kaweempo might also have done a little something in 2 years as well. Or, if you don't agree, than it simplifies everything. |
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