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Post by deepfriednew101 on Dec 29, 2023 19:59:45 GMT 1
CMAN
C.H.S. Primary lived in the U.S.A. and Canada between His life time.
What Needs to be concentrated on is the 1930's Era as the 11 SPICES and HERBS were Developed before 1940 and specifically 1939.
C.H.S. Continually in Personal Conversations said the 11 Spices and Herbs were before the Pressure Cooker the Extra Last change and Final Change He made was the Cumberland lake 500 Piece cooking for Noe at the Boat Trip. C.H.S. called that last item a ELEMENT NEVER a Spice or a Herb. in Personal conversation.
I heard Him Say 100 or more Times
He Started with Flour and Salt and Pepper (Black) First then started Adding HERBS that the Family liked and used and went on the testing spices which He also used.
I Only SAW C.H.S use a Garlic Extract in His Days
Home cooking He used Real Fresh Celery, Garlic, Onion, Parsley, Thyme, and Other Fresh Herbs More. YES he used Dried Spices and Herbs BUT preferred the Fresh for many items. Real Cooking.
You need to Understand He spoke often about Botanical Items which He used as a Mid-wife delivering Babies.
I know People will refer to He only Had 10 items Blah Blah blah ETC. First
I say this THESE people DID NOT or NEVER personally associated with C.H.S. or Cooked in a K.F.C. and KNOW CRAP. These People Never went on Missions with C.H.S. and Claudia.
These People were Never with C.H.S in Calgary Alberta Canada where the Second Franchise WORLD WIDE OPEN They Never also Never Met Leon Pete Harmon or Others like Winston S. or others. Plus Never purchase $10,000.00 of Dollars of C.H.S. Memorabilia.
Many are Just Hinging on Article they read BUT never spoke to one of the writers or the Lawyer of Judges involved in a Court case. PLUS NEVER purchased the Court files for $ thousand of Dollars.
As far as a True Historian of C.H.S. and Claudia There are few who have walked the walk. The NEW AGE has information which they NEVER released. The new Age has made offers to Purchase items From Original Canadian K.F.C. owners who Have the Recipe and ALL of THEM told NEW AGE TO Fly a kite.
Tommy and Cherry S Told K.F.C. to Flight a Kite also, after the Court case was over.
Pat from Grace's was made to change the way He operated after Losing the Court case BUT He never changed the Recipe from 12 Items that Bill S. Marion Kay developed as the Original Marion Kay Chicken Seasoning. Bill S Added 1 ONE extra item to His mix which C.H.S. said made it better. Bill S Admitted he had to Change the 99x.
If you want a Good Version Buy Grace's Perfect Blend and Pay 25.00 Per Lbs. for seasoned flour and Buy 99x for High cost and Add some 99x to the Perfect Blend Mix and it will be a Better version of Both the individual items.
using 99x and Following the Recipe is a Under seasoned Chicken YOU need Almost Double what the recipes says for a Much Better Chicken.
Graces Seasoned flour needs to be Shaken up Prior to Using as the Seasoning Spices and Herbs settle in the Bag. Also when they Mix it in Large Quantities and Bag it the Seasoning is NOT always mixed equal
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Post by cman on Dec 29, 2023 20:27:25 GMT 1
Pure Gold!! Thanks Dfn101!!
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Post by Chickenman on Dec 30, 2023 1:06:56 GMT 1
Good. Then don't mention me, or quote me in posts that have nothing to do with anything i said. "Your main argument is that you have an innate super human senses" not super human, just a good sense of taste. Except i have proof to back up my accurate taste? Check back to my post "has anyone tried nigella seed? my first reaction to tasting them was "omg these are in the recipe" Now that was purely an opinion based off taste, i had no evidence whatsoever that they actually were in the recipe until i discovered them later. Which CONFIRMS! my taste is spot on. You can justify it however you like to tho. Fact is, i have better sense of taste. Also, you aren't getting rich off the recipe. In 2023, even if you had the real deal, bona fide recipe, cooked with the real deal proper slow grown chickens, hardly anybody would really care that much. If you are doing this because you think you will somehow make money off it, you are wasting your time. I personally cooked with Nigella Seeds on Sept 13th of this year. Prior to your ramblings in November. Cracked them as well because if you tried them you know they are tough little tirds.
Guess what. Did absolutely nothing to advance the smell or taste more or less towards KFC. Now does it leave specks in the coating. Sure, but so does cracked black pepper.
So don't just ass ume that folks haven't tried things
100% you didn't try them. And if you did, you definitely didn't know to crush them into tiny specs. But lie to back up your biased opinion without even trying them. They are in the recipe whether you like it or not. I've already mentioned on here they don't do much for the cooking note. They simply act as a garnish that gives a distinctive taste. So does black pepper? except black pepper doesn't taste like nigella seed taste testing them over 20 times. And your biased opinion doesn't change the fact they are being used in the recipe today at my local store. You are never cracking the recipe. Don't use them, i really don't care. But don't spew BS at me. Nothing you can say, can disprove the fact i detected them on the modern O.R.
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Post by flg on Dec 30, 2023 3:04:52 GMT 1
I know what I used. Did with them and have in my spice cupboard currently. Difference is I can post my invoice from Amazon showing what and when I purchased Nigella Seeds. You all you do is run your mouth.
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Post by Chickenman on Dec 30, 2023 3:31:17 GMT 1
I know what I used. Did with them and have in my spice cupboard currently. Difference is I can post my invoice from Amazon showing what and when I purchased Nigella Seeds. You all you do is run your mouth. Post it then? Run my mouth? i posted proof of them. Anyone can do the same as me and pick the specs off and taste them. You are clearly not interested in the recipe, and more interested in your own personal opinions because your ego can't handle the truth. If you were serious about the recipe, you would be going out right now and purchasing some of the modern O.R drumsticks and seeing for yourself the nigella seeds on the chicken. Instead you ignore all these facts because of your ego. This is why you are never cracking the recipe. Ego is an amazing thing, you will literally overlook this very REAL discovery simply because it is coming from someone you have a low opinion of. I know psychology too well. The thing you don't realize tho, is that i literally do not care if you believe me or not. Just don't try and force your opinion onto me and try to deny FACTS! because all you have is an opinion with no proof/evidence to back it up but i DO! The FACT is, nigella seed is being used in the modern O.R recipe at my local store.
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smallgree
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Post by smallgree on Jan 3, 2024 2:39:33 GMT 1
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Post by smallgree on Jan 3, 2024 20:50:22 GMT 1
I looked at my chili seasoning and was shocked to see that those ingredients fit into the 11 vials. This is a major road block for me. I have several other theories that I follow, and will do so. My BBQ sauce seasoning is also close, and contains both ginger and mustard. If the common ingredients in both are in the OR, then I have some thinking to do, Lucy.
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Post by smallgree on Jan 4, 2024 0:12:00 GMT 1
I just finished my last (maybe) multiples recipe. I used four mixes, two copycats (mine), and two store bought. It is quite powerful and includes just about everything people have promoted, except nigella seeds (I haven't found) and fenugreek, which I have used and discarded. I will post this later and let the cocks fight it out in the ring.
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Post by smallgree on Jan 4, 2024 1:34:24 GMT 1
In the last couple of hours, the mix has melded into something quite savoury. The peppers won't be added until much later. Is this why CHS/KFC used one place to mix part of the OR, which was later sent to another place which mixed that first mix with other elements? I will find out. I never bought the argument that two places were needed to hide the recipe. It wouldn't take rocket science to question employees FROM BOTH PLACES. I believe the sole melding is necessary for the each of the two separate mixes. Finally, they are melded together.
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Post by cman on Jan 4, 2024 2:06:30 GMT 1
That’s precisely what I was alluding to. In particular, I’m looking at the phosphorus content of the spices to predict the degree of mix aroma production and decay or staleness. My hypothesis is that the phosphorus content turns into an acid that alters the spice contents of eugenol and cineole, etc. to bring out the distinctive KFC OR aroma. So, the spices would need to be separated. Separating the spice mixes is more about mix preservation than about the secrecy.
Could you put a date on your mixes and relate to us how much the mixes are altered. Not sure how the KFC mixes would sit at their warehouse.
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