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Post by Silver on Feb 6, 2022 12:50:21 GMT 1
I'm also open to the possibility that Allspice was not in the original recipe. I was initially concerned that Clove may become cloying at this level, but then I realized that perhaps 20%-25% of the essence of both Allspice and Star-Anise is Clove_Like, and neither of these ingredients are present within this recipe, so that (hopefully) offsets the increased Clove. With no Allspice or Star-Anise, Clove has to be bumped up whereby to maintain nominally the same level of Eugenol.
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Post by flg on Feb 6, 2022 16:55:16 GMT 1
Back to focusing upon what herbs and spices were both readily available and likely to be found within the spice collection of the typical Kentucky home circa 1930's-1940's. I believe this consideration leaves both Summer Savory and Star Anise completely out of the picture. Therefore: Credit is due to flg for first realizing that Star-Anise was not a staple back then. Being from Canada, both deepfriednew101 and flg may find it rather difficult to believe that Summer Savory is (even to this day) highly uncommon and a rare item within the USA. I'm also open to the possibility that the last ingredient may be Fennel Seed instead of Anise Seed. Opinions? Also, I+G came later and could not have been part of circa 1950's KFC_OR, at the juncture wherein MSG was first introduced and franchising began. My Fennel seed story.
As a kid growing up we used to buy these pizza in a box kits and make our own homemade pizza. Kraft still sells them here. Anyway, the thing I remember the most other than going through the fridge to find anything that could be a topping. Was the Herbs packet in them. Over the years I bought spice packets and nothing tasted the same. I even created my own copy but couldn't get it quite right. Enter Fennel Seeds, the missing link. And what a difference it made and honestly the flavor of this mix (note) for me was the fennel seeds. No where near as good without it.
For our purposes I would think that the licorice taste came from one or more of the spices (like basil), Or a herb and fennel seeds. Then anise seed, then star anise. In that order of likely hood.
BTW Bologna goes well on pizza. LOL
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Feb 6, 2022 18:32:07 GMT 1
So flg what did you mix in your Kraft Spice Mix ?
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Post by flg on Feb 6, 2022 18:54:04 GMT 1
Oregano, Thyme, Basil, Fennel Seed, Onion, Garlic are the bulk of it
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Feb 6, 2022 18:57:59 GMT 1
Do you have a exact recipe
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Post by Silver on Feb 16, 2022 12:29:23 GMT 1
My latest thought as to an ideal building block recipe. Likely to become my cooked recipe trial/test #13.
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Post by Silver on Feb 16, 2022 21:12:26 GMT 1
Yet more likely to become my cooked recipe #13. Replaced Cayenne with Crushed Red Chili Pepper Flakes. Replaced Anise Seed with Star-Anise.
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Post by crazyforchicken on Feb 16, 2022 22:36:57 GMT 1
It depends on the variety of crushed red chile flakes. I did that same test using Louisiana red hots which I grew, it was too hot! I now stick with bought cayenne. The heat should never be prominent, imo. Star anise is powerful stuff, which by weight allows more adjustment for other ingredients. But I don't feel CHS would have access to that in those times, so would likely have used sausage H&S (caraway, fennel, anise, etc).
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Post by Silver on Feb 16, 2022 23:07:07 GMT 1
It depends on the variety of crushed red chile flakes. I did that same test using Louisiana red hots which I grew, it was too hot! I now stick with bought cayenne. The heat should never be prominent, imo. Star anise is powerful stuff, which by weight allows more adjustment for other ingredients. But I don't feel CHS would have access to that in those times, so would likely have used sausage H&S (caraway, fennel, anise, etc). CFC Per McCormick, in answer to an email inquiry I sent to them, the flakes are only one tenth as hot as Cayenne Pepper.
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Post by Silver on Feb 16, 2022 23:13:02 GMT 1
I'm not attempting to capture KFC from circa 1940, as I have no clue as to what that would even mean. I merely want it to taste good and exhibit some of the note of KFC.
I agree that Anise Seed would work similarly to Star-Anise, but in a side by side taste test of both of them I slightly preferred the flavor of the Star-Anise. And I didn't find it overpowering vs. Aniseed.
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