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Post by Silver on Jul 26, 2021 11:35:38 GMT 1
I have at this juncture made a handful of recipe derivations, and all of them have resulted in more of a crispy coating vs. the soft/soggy coating of KFC. I've tried self rising cake flour as my latest derivation and AFAICT it made no difference in this regard from all purpose flour, sans to make for noticeably darker deep fried chicken. In addition, my fried chicken is always far less greasy than KFC. How does KFC get their defining (signature) soft/soggy/greasy coating? Does this come from pressure deep frying, as opposed to my open deep frying? Or is it ingredient related?
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Post by Silver on Jul 26, 2021 11:39:42 GMT 1
I should add that my self rising cake flour was not purchased, but rather was homemade via adding cornstarch, cream of tartar, and baking soda to all purpose flour.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 12:17:06 GMT 1
Dear silver, regardless of the flour, you will get sogginess by wrapping the chicken in tin foil after frying for a few mins. Just like the Japanese chap did. This may not answer how KFC does it, but it will get you there.
Regards.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Jul 26, 2021 19:31:56 GMT 1
I will say a few things about the OR crust that was way softer and more flavorful but also a juicier oil finger lickin good.
The Original was created by multiple method. The old cooking where the Browning 3-minute cooking time was more critical in that end product. The chicken was open top cooked at 350 to 360 temps, then the Temp is turned down to 250 to 260 temps. That searing the outer layer does help create a moister inner coating like the top of a Loaf of bread. Which CHS always spoke about that the first thing he ever made and was proud about was a loaf a bread he walked miles to show his mother.
Many CHS story also says he cooked the OR chicken in a skillet open top. Then added WATER to the Oil before outing a top on the Skillet to steam.
In the late 70’s and early 80’s the change for a CRUNCHY loud Crispy bite was what people wanted over the older soft crust. They changed the amount and types of items added into the Flour for crispy coating.
The New Age KFC as I call the Corporate. Made change to a Crispy crunch but that was after they worked on a soft coating with a dream whip powdered concoction. Remember their automated Pressure cookers changed and they relied on time over hand eye coordination. To Brown the Chicken. The as seen on TV sale pitch set it and forget it method they jumped to. Quicker Faster and less hands on to make a Crispy coating and then place it in a Steamer to rest with a maximum 90 minute.
If you want a softer Coating the Yeast helps and going back to the Milk n Egg Warsh helps also BUT you need to soak the chicken in the MILK n EGG warsh NO a quick dip and first pre coat the chicken in the flour seasoning
WHAT PEOPLE DO NOT see in the TEF Video is the Pre-set Flour and then a BATH in the Milk n EGG Warsh. LOOK at the time interval that the chicken sits in the Milk n Egg Warsh before the chicken was pulled out of the Round Tin. (remember the TV show is edited and listen to the worlds they had a trial run earlier which you DO NOT see in the VIDEO)
2 key things are cut out the pre set flour and the cooking method CHS locks the lid on the Pressure cooker and then moves it to a second heating element OUTSIDE the BOXED HIGHER TEMP cooker. Also, you do not see the pre-set flour method. The Pre-set makes its own coating that is more moist and softer than the skin. The combination of knowing the leveling agent and the rapid heat reduction make it a different cooking final end product.
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Post by Silver on Aug 18, 2021 23:43:08 GMT 1
On the last few pieces of chicken I was deep frying, my wife started the microwave on the same circuit and we blew a fuse. After the fuse was reset it took awhile to get things going again. Those pieces had well more of the greasy softness in the coating that I believe is a signature feature. Is colder oil the secret?
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Aug 19, 2021 4:19:52 GMT 1
The Original KFC has always started at a high heat and reduced
This is from 1966 Patent for Pressure cookers
US3245800 "Process for producing fried chicken under pressure":
Cut raw chicken into serving pieces Coat the pieces with a moist breading material
Wholly immerse the pieces in a bath of oil heated in a pressure cooker to 350‐400F Hermetically close the pressure cooker Reduce the temperature of the oil rapidly to 250‐275F
Cook pieces for about 2 minutes while increasing pressure to 15 psi above atmospheric pressure Continue cooking pieces (at the same pressure and temperature) for about 8 minutes Technical benefit: the 15 psi pressure is sufficiently close to the "vapour pressure" of water at 250F to substantially prevent boiling away of moisture from the chicken and breading material. It is this technical benefit that made KFC's deep frying process "inventive" and, therefore, patentable.
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Post by Silver on Aug 30, 2021 11:49:42 GMT 1
Would Rice Flour and/or Corn Flour make for a softer coating? I wonder if something like 60% Cake Flour, 20% Rice Flour, and 20% Corn Flour (which is not corn meal or crushed corn flakes) might yield a softer crust?
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Sept 1, 2021 20:46:27 GMT 1
The Original Flour from 1939 was listed as a AP Flour
Upon Many Hours and Hours of research and checking source in the Flour Industry. The Answers was provided about 193o-1935 Flour was typically wheat flour and more pure wheat.
Then as Droughts and Demand started to grow Most Wheat which was Stone Milled was a Blend of Wheat / Barely / Corn and the flour was considered AP flour
Many source in KFC will state that the Flour was a Winter Wheat Variety and it was ONLY sources in 2 USA States. This was primary and true BUT it was more possible because of the Trucking and Train Movement of the Grains from the Field to the Mills. There were ONLY a few Stone mill Plants in the General area of Kentucky at that time.
In the 1940's and War Ration Time wheat was one of the Ratio items and War supplies had precedent for Pure Wheat product Next were Major bakery which supplies Items for the War Supplies. After the War time changed and many Pre-Packaged item were Growing and the Cereal Chains were growing in leaps and bounds
if you want a softer crust stay away from the leveling agents Baking soda etc starches there are soft base items
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Post by Silver on Sept 1, 2021 21:42:00 GMT 1
I just picked up some rice flour from an Amish bulk foods store (55 mile round trip), but it is made from brown rice, and it doesn't look quite as milled as white flour. It reminds me more of whole wheat or spelt flour as to it's looks. I also have corn flour, and that looks like white wheat flour. I'm not sure the brown rice flour will work, but I may try 80% Cake Flour, 10% Brown Rice Flour, and 10% Corn Flour for our next coating. Just trying to see if I can get some softness from the flour, as I open pot deep fry under no pressure and my crust has been coming our crispier than I would like it to.
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Post by deepfriednew101 on Sept 1, 2021 22:01:47 GMT 1
You Need to Turn the Heat down when Open frying the Chicken conventional wisdom has many thinking maintain a High Heat CHS DID NOT and use High and Low heat even when he skillet fried the chicken that's why he poured water into the Oil and covered the Skillet to cool the OIL and Steam the chicken This is from CHS Patent of the Pressure Cooker I have found that chickens weighing between 2 pounds and 2 /2 pounds dressed and cut into 8 to 10 serving pieces and correctly breaded should, for best flavor, texture and appearance, be dropped into relatively hot fat (350 to 400 Fahrenheit) to start the browning of the breading and to seal the exterior of the serving piece against loss of its natural juices. The cold chicken quickly (in I to 2 minutes) lowers the temperature of the accurately measured quantity of fat to a temperature of 250 P. Then the chicken should be cooked for about 8 minutes under about pounds per square inch of gauge pressure to maintain the 250 F. cooking temperature without further loss of moisture from the breading and without any drying out of the chicken pieces. It is accordingly an object of the invention to provide a novel process for quickly and thoroughly. frying chicken under pressure in a manner to seal in substantially all the natural juices while browning the breaded surface thereof to desired crispness and appearance. From CHS words The Coating was a softer coating because the High temp Pre-Brown and Toasts the Coating Prior to the sealing and creating the Pressure to cook the Chicken than making the coating soft and juicy from the Steam in the Pressure cooker, and Lower Temperature When CHS sued Famous Fried chicken, He also won the court case and Famous to NOT use a 2-temperature cooking method. High Temperature then turned down to ultra Low
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